The Anti-Mary: The Terrifying New Patroness of Abortion

In the wake of a natural disaster recently, I noticed a non-profit dedicated to raising funds for emergency abortions. What? Why? The name of the organization also stood out: The Lilith Fund. 

First off, why would that be an organization's first response to a hurricane? Second question: why is Lilith getting involved? I've got a bad feeling about this.

Who is this Lilith? Despite her dark origins, she has become an Icon of Feminism and now the Patroness of Abortion. Check out her connection to Adam and Eve from Jewish folklore. Also, find out why an alliance with Lilith is both terrifying and illuminating. 


In the aftermath of natural disasters, nonprofits are often scrambling to take care of the needs of the homeless, the stranded, those who have lost everything, and ... those who want to abort their children?? One of these is not like the other.  

The Lilith Fund is a Texas nonprofit striving for "reproductive equity,” whatever that is. In the wake of the hurricane’s devastation, the group created an emergency fund to provide financial help to “Harvey survivors seeking abortion care.”(1)

Pundit Sean Davis hit the nail on its head when he tweeted that the Lilith Fund "is a great investment if you think the biggest problem with Hurricane Harvey is that it didn't kill enough people."



All joking aside, this is a new level of insidiousness for the pro-abortion movement. But why?


[WARNING: MATERIAL GRAPHIC IN NATURE]

Who is/was Lilith?

I kid you not. Lilith is a sexually wanton demon that comes in the night and steals newborn babies. The name "Lilith" actually means "night." As you will see, she is the tailor-made patroness or icon of the abortion movement. 

The Lilith class of demons 

Lilith appears to be the surviving member of an ancient class of female demons, known to the Babylonians and other Mesopotamian peoples as the lilītu. 

The Sumerian King List (2400 BC) contains the earliest reference to her. It states that no less than the greatest figure of Babylonian mythology, Gilgamesh, was the son of a Lillu-demon.(2) 


The origin of the story of Lilith may have been a wilderness spirit known as the “dark maid” who appears in the Sumerian myth “The descent of Inanna” (ca. 3000 BC). There is also a reference to her found in a Seventh Century BC tablet uncovered at Arslan Tash(3), Syria. 

The Arslan Tash tablet depicts Lilith as a winged sphinx across who body is written, “O flyer in a dark chamber, go away at once, O Lili!”(4) This is an ancient prayer used to protect women in labor! 

Is Lilith in the Bible?

There may be an obscure reference to Lilith in the Bible. At Isaiah 34:14, this is how the Prophet describes an inhospitable wilderness: “There goat-demons shall greet each other, and there the lilit shall find rest.” 

Scholars disagree as to the meaning of the word “lilit." This is the only time this term appears in Isaiah. There is, therefore, no basis for comparison.(5) While some scholars believe it is a reference to the demon Lilith, others dismiss it as a reference to a night owl or screech owl. 

Here's a good overview of whether Lilith is found in the Bible from Jimmy Aken on Catholic Answers:


It's possible that both could be true. Isaiah 34:14 could be a reference to both the demon Lilith and a night owl or screech owl. 

In a Babylonian terra-cotta relief dating from about 2000 BC, Lilith is actually depicted with the wings and feet of an owl.(6) In the Vulgate, as well, St. Jerome translates the Hebrew word as lamia, an evil being that killed infants and seduced sleeping men. 

Lilith in Christianity and Judaism

At some point, she was incorporated into Jewish folklore. There is a large amount of ancient Semitic texts beyond that which is preserved as the Hebrew Bible or the Tanakh, i.e. the Old Testament. 

There is a reference to Lilith in the Jewish commentaries on the Scriptures: "One may not sleep in a house alone, and whoever sleeps alone is seized by Lilith."(7) Lilith is known in demonology as a succubus. 

Here's another video overview of Lilith in archaeological and Jewish texts. The video includes an amazing Aramaic exorcism prayer against Lilith, as well as descriptions of anti-Lilith amulets. Watch out, though. Some of the Biblical exegesis is wrong, such as the claim that Genesis 1 and 2 contain contradictory accounts of the creation of man and woman. 


Lilith and Adam

This is where things get really interesting. Between 700 and 1000 years after Christ, Lilith began to have an entirely new origin story. In the Alphabet of Bin Sira, an anonymous work, Lilith is depicted as the first wife of Adam.(8) Here is the passage concerning Lilith's creation:

[God] said, "It is not good for man to be alone" (Genesis 2:18). He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He has created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith began to fight. She said, "I will not lie below," and he said, "I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be in the superior one." Lilith responded, "We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth." But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air.

God then sent three angels to bring Lilith back. The angels came upon her at sea:

They told her God's word, but she did not wish to return. The angels said, "We shall drown you in the sea." "Leave me!" she said. "I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for eight days after his birth, and if female, for twenty days." When the angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted she go back. But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God: "Whenever I see you or your names of your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant."(9)

There are many interesting features to this text, but I would first like to note that Lilith has a potty mouth - she curses the Name of God twice in this short passage. Actually, this reminds me of some of the vulgar pro-abortion rhetoric often heard at rallies and marches. 

Lilith: Icon of Feminism

Lilith has become an icon of feminism due in large part to the first passage from Ben Sira quoted above. The second part of the passage is usually ignored, of course. 

Notice that Lilith is born from the same earth from which Adam is created by the hand of God, unlike Eve who is formed from a rib from Adam's side. Lilith argues that her origin determines her equality with Adam and the basis for her rejection of Adam's superiority. 

Ironically, the very fact that Eve is formed from a bone from Adam's side means that she is of equal dignity to Adam. If Eve had been created from a piece of Adam's foot, he would have been superior to her. It would have been a sign of dominance, like being trampled "underfoot." Likewise, if Eve had been created from a piece of Adam's skull, she would have been superior to him.

Nevertheless, Lilith has been embraced as the first-ever spokesperson for women's rights. Rabbi Jill Hammer writes the following about Lilith's surprising fandom: "The most notorious demon of Jewish tradition becomes a feminist hero."(10) 



Lilith magazine - yes, there's actually a magazine - "charts Jewish women's lives with exuberance, rigor, affection, subversion and style." The magazine's website actually cites the Ben Sira text as the inspiration for the publication's title.

Lilith, Icon of Lesbianism

Lilith has been embraced also as an icon of lesbianism. You probably remember the Lilith Fairs during the summers of the late '90s? The music festival, which has been called "Lesbian-palooza", featured only woman musicians or woman-led bands, such as Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow, Tracy Chapman, Paula Cole, Fiona Apple, Joan Osborne, Indigo Girls, Shawn Colvin, and Natalie Merchant. 

Lilith Fair was a benefit concert for charities - can you guess which charities were involved? Planned Parenthood, among others. "Offering booths to Planned Parenthood and helping both the AIDS awareness group LIFEBeat and the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network hotline are among the clear highlights of the tour," Sarah McLachlan said in an MTV interview

To be fair, the 2010 Lilith Fair revival was heavily criticized for allowing donations to benefit pro-life crisis pregnancy centers, as well. 


Why is Lilith the Anti-Mary?

Whereas Lilith said "No" to God, the Virgin Mary said "Yes." In the passage above from the Ben Sira text, Lilith explicitly tells God "No." Just as there is prophesied to be an Anti-Christ, Lilith is the Anti-Mary. 

While still apparently far superior to Lilith, Eve also implicitly told God "No" when she committed the Original Sin. As Saint Irenaeus said, the knot of Eve's disobedience was untied by Mary's obedience (to read more, follow the link)


Also, notice this odd statement in the passages above:

But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God: "Whenever I see you or your names of your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant."

I would argue that Saint medals, especially the Miraculous Medal and the Scapular, are the amulets Lilith is referring to in the passage above. If the form of angels is repellent to her, how much more the Queen of Angels? Perhaps this is part of why the Blessed Mother encourages us to wear these, because they are repellent to the Cursed Mother. 
So, how do we counter-act the intervention of Lilith? Through the intercession of the Blessed Mother! 

Our Lady, Queen of Angels, pray for us!

I hope this post wasn't too dark to share with you ...

Please let me know what you think about all this in the comments below! Also, please share this post with people you know, especially those in Texas.


Footnotes:

(1) DeSanctis, Alexandra, "Hurricane Harvey Nonprofit Fundraises for . . . Abortion?"
National Review, Sept. 1, 2017.
(2) Patai 1990.
(3) On a completely unrelated note, I felt that I had to comment on the odd juxtaposition of the words "Arslan Tash", as "Aslan" and "Tash" are both featured in The Chronicles of Narnia, wherein Aslan is the embodiment of Jesus and Tash is a demonic deity, the antagonist to Aslan in The Last Battle
(4) Adler, Shelley R., Sleep Paralysis: Nightmares, Nocebos, and the Mind-body Connection, Rutgers University Press (2011): 38.
(5) The term is hapax legomenon, a word that occurs only once in a particular text.
(6) ibid.
(7) Talmud, tractate Shabbath, folio 151b.
(8) More on the spread of Lilith tale in folklore: "This version of the Lilith tale in the Alphabet of Ben Sira quickly spread throughout Jewish life, and others expanded on it. The Zohar, a mystical work from 12th century Spain, imagines Lilith not only as the first wife of Adam but also as the wife of Satan. In the Kabbalah, Lilith takes on cosmic power. She is a chaotic counterpart to the Shekhinah (the feminine Divine Presence, the bride of the Infinite). In fact, the Zohar imagines that while the Jews suffer in exile, the Holy One (the masculine aspect of the Divine) separates from the Shekhinah, and consorts with Lilith.Lilith’s sexual-spiritual link with the Divine will only end when the Messiah comes and the brokenness in the world is mended."
(9) Alphabet of Ben Sira, 23a-b; trans. Stern and Mirsky 1998, 183-184. 
(10) Hammer, Rabbi Jill, "Lilith, Lady Flying in the Darkness," MyJewishLearning.com. 

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  1. Over the years I've come across a great deal written about Lilith and find your article much more encompassing. Thank you.

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    1. Thanks so much! We definitely need to bring her out of the shadows.

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    2. I did not know about Lilith before, except that the name existed. Considering her story, it seems so appropriately evil that she is the symbol for "feminists". There are always signs of the times, aren't there?

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    3. Yes - thanks for your comment! No doubt! There's even more of her story post-Adam that I chose not to include because of more demon talk, but her "spouse" post-Adam lends a certain insight into what happens when we abandon traditional marriage.

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  2. So far, you haven't really given any evidence that Lilith is a real being. The Jewish fables you cite are certainly not the sort of thing any Catholic is obliged to heed; they are perhaps among those St. Paul tells us NOT to heed in 1 Timothy 1:4.

    It would have been slightly more interesting if you had cited respectable exorcists who had confronted a demon calling itself "Lilith", but only so much; such a name would probably be no more than description (like "Legion") of the role the demon was playing, and it would not validate the whole folktale. Quite possibly one or more demons is now playing the role of "Slenderman", even though this is a fictional character made up quite recently.

    It is important to keep the distinction clearly in mind. Mary was (and is) a real human being, born in a specific time and place, and her "Yes" to God actually happened. Lilith is a character in literature, like the Big Bad Wolf. She is not an Anti-Mary in parallel to the Anti-Christ, because he will also be a real human being.

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    1. Thanks for your comment! I really don't want to be in the position of defending the existence of Lilith - that's not my objective. It's obvious to me, however, that we are facing a demonic presence that is using Lilith, whether she is real or not, as a rallying cry and "icon" for these increasingly entangled social movements, at the center of which is a disfigured version of Woman. Conversely, Mary is womanhood, par excellence, and the Lilith distortion of womanhood is directly opposed to Mary.

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    2. Oh, and yeah, "Slenderman" ... [shiver]. I try not to dwell on this category, except when I think it's important and timely, but there's probably a story there, too. Before researching demons (or angels) too deeply, I would probably require a precautionary exorcism.

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  3. I find the whole pro abortion movement as a tale of genocide of the human race.It does not surprise me that they would identify with the story of Lillith.look at the recent women's march,the spirit of Lillith was alive and well. Anyone who seeks to destroy human life is against God's plan, which is life affirming.
    Mary of Guadalupe intercede for a respect for life in all its stages and in all its diversity.
    Thank you for a well written article,my miraculous medal goes every where with me.

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    1. Amen! Our Lady of Guadalupe is truly the anti-Lilith. She stomped out the pagan Aztec child sacrifices, and she is interceding for us, as well! Thank you for your comments and kind words!

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  4. Please do continue to write about these topics--we cannot possibly be forewarned, nor forearmed, if we toddle out like preschoolers to a Sunday school picnic.
    BTW, I began praying the pro-life rosary and Divine Mercy chaplets at a PP abortion megaplex here in Aurora, IL. PP has begun hiring agents provocateurs (paid counterprotesters) to mingle with the pro-lifers up front, who attempt sidewalk counseling despite an impossible physical layout. They have been bashing into them, running in front of them holding up homemade signs when they try to sidewalk counsel, name-calling, mocking, jeering.
    Last week (and I personally witnessed this, I am not making this up), the pro-aborts showed up with a boombox the size of a large window air conditioner. It had wheels on the bottom and a pull-out handle like a suitcase. They had this cranked up full blast with heavy metal rock, which competed with the elevator music that PP blasts outside to help drown out the pro-lifers.
    An overweight blonde female, well-endowed above the waist, started dancing in a very lewd and lascivious manner right in the middle of the service drive which separates PP's premises and parking lot from the vacant lot across the service drive, where the pro-lifers are forced to stand (if you set foot on PP property, they have cameras in place, will call the police immediately, and will have you arrested and prosecuted).
    The blonde female put her clothes back on (she had stripped down to a black bodystocking), then started a strip-tease to the heavy metal music, again right in the middle of the service drive, bouncing her endowment right in the face of one of the pro-life male sidewalk counselers, who was seriously embarrassed. The 6 or so pro-aborts were mocking and jeering at this poor male's embarrassment. Satanic or not?

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    1. WOWWW! That is seriously deranged. That sounds like liturgical dancing for a Black Mass. Hideous! Maybe you can help me put together an article about this to help spread word and best practices for overcoming the nuisance. Please email me with further developments! Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us!

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  5. I wonder how many are familiar with the works of Joris Karl Huysmans and his path to redemption. He started off writing naturalist novels - life as seen by a materialist but utterly pessimistic like Schopenhauer - then wrote about hedonism - trying every perverse pleasure known to man - then about despair leading to wondering about things supernatural and eventually through Satanism to the Catholic Church. A rather strange path but somewhat akin to what is happening to-day?

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    1. Thanks for your comment! That reminds me of an article I read recently from the Lepanto Institute about Zachary King, a former "High Wizard" of the World Church of Satan. He also eventually became Catholic, but not before performing [WARNING: GROSS] ritual baby killings at abortion clinics. Here's a link to LifeNews' coverage of that interview: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/former-satanist-i-performed-satanic-rituals-inside-abortion-clinics

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  6. A popular TV show in the 1980s had a character named Lilith. Obviously a subtle promotion of the woman against the norm. She came to an unpleasant end (from a moral standpoint) but was cast as an example of feminine independence.

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    1. Interesting! What was the show? Wasn't there a Lilith in Frasier? Now that I think of it, wasn't Lilith set against the spectre of Maris in Frasier? "Maris" can be something of a derivative of Maria/Mary, too.

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  7. Yes, there was a Lillith in Cheers and in Frasier.

    Also, by "Maris" do you mean "Ave Maris Stella"? In that context "Maris" means sea and not Mary, directly. Ave Maris Stella means "Hail Star of the Sea."

    Greetings from a Louisiana Ex=Patriate! (waves)

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    1. Right, there's a Lillith and a Maris in Frasier, which are Frasier's and Niles' ex-wives, respectively. I thought it was oddly coincidental since, as you say, "Stella Maris" is an epithet of Mary, and I present Lillith as an anti-Mary.

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  8. If Lillith is not mentioned in the Scripture, why do you spend so much time writing about her? I've been a catholic all my life, and never heard of Lillith. We prefer to talk about the Virgin Mary.

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    1. It's definitely better to keep your eyes fixed on Jesus and Mary. As I said in the article, there is evidence for Lillith in Scripture. Nevertheless, as Catholics, we do not believe in Sola Scriptura. We look, as the Bible itself instructs, to Scripture and Tradition. The tradition of inoculating people against Lillith is strong, and not only with Catholics. We need to be warned against her. Also, though her story was later significantly changed, the Jews have written about this demon since antiquity. That's why you see hints of her in the Old Testament.

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  9. Lilith is not mentioned in scripture. Your reference to Isaiah 34:14 is grossly inaccurate and misleading, drawing on a translation that is non existent. The referral to demons exists only in texts similar to Brenton's Septuagent (LXX) which are not accurate descriptions, translating as they do from the vernacular and not direct, literal translation.

    No other references to a Lilith exist in Hebrew or Christian scripture unless you want to try dragging in nonsense from the ecumenically debunked tales of Pseudoepigrapha.

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  10. @Unknown: Thanks for your comment. I added some additional sources and videos to show you that, yes, the Lilith translation of Isaiah 34:14 is well-founded.

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  12. Anne
    MAY 6, 2019 AT 9:17 AM
    Thought provoking post!!! Could it be .... could it be .... just asking .... could it be that Mary who we find a century or more post-Thomas Aquinas .... the Mary that appears in the trees, the Mary that appears in Mexico in the form of an ancient goddess, the Mary that Saint Demonfort depicts as threatening to destroy those who refuse to pray the rosary., the Mary whom just might "despise our prayers," the Mary that is rarely depicted with a crucifix .... could this Mary be, with her demonstrated affection for amulets, in her demonstrated desire to be venerated, actually Lillith undercover, Lillith being her very most strategic, Lillith playing a long game to deceive the elect of the nations? Just asking, could it be, in the realm of possibilities, could it possibly be? Recall that the faith community of the old covenant was rebuked by YHWH for falling into goddess worship, likely without even knowing it was an offense to YHWH when they did. Could it be the Church as also? Anne's husband

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    1. Mary is always depicted with the crucifix ... Do you remember where? She is always holding the Rosary.

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    2. Thanks for your comment! Interesting questions.

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  13. Scott, I have seen many images and statutes of her in which the Rosary has no corpus. And consider this question .... where is the Christian symbolism found on the Tilma? https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/the-tilma-s-symbolism.html

    Someone recently placed a picture of the Tilma in the perpertual devotion room at our parish. It was covered with strange coating, looked like grape skins, and had no depiction of Christ, symbolically or otherwise, on it. Seemed it would have been just as much at home in a shaman's shack.

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    1. Really? I haven't ever noticed Mary depicted with a purposefully corpus-less Rosary.

      The tilma is full of Christian symbolism. Take the constellations depicted by the stars on Mary's mantle, for example (I describe this in detail in another post on this site). First, Leo the Lion is depicted across Mary's womb. The Lion of Judah is the Christian and Jewish symbol for the Messiah. Second, the Southern Crown is situated on Mary's head. Our Lady of Guadalupe thus depicts the crowned Queen of Heaven at Revelation 12. Third, she is also depicted as expecting at or around Christmas, given her posture and belly circumference.

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    2. Perhaps most importantly, though, the appearance of Our Lady of Guadalupe led to mass conversions (approx 9 million) of the Aztec people to Christianity. You will know the vine by its fruit, right? The native Mexicans went from a religion that embraces human and even child sacrifice to Christianity, which embraces the Cross. Good fruit!

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    3. My goodness! I forgot to mention the most important Christian symbol on the tilma! Christ, Himself!

      The infant Jesus is depicted lifting up the Blessed Mother. A goddess, for example, would not need to rely on the power of her child to raise her to Heaven. Also, it shows that Mary is an utterly dependent creature. Very rich image, theologically.

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  14. Oops. "statues!" Yes, I am also an attorney.

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    1. Lol, no prob! I understand. "Statutes" comes by muscle memory.

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  15. "The infant Jesus is depicted lifting up the Blessed Mother. " Red Bull gives you wings. You just gave them to toddler Jesus! https://tonalpohualli260.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/escanear0001-copia1.jpg (Wait, wait, I thought he was supposed to be in the fertile Mary's womb on the Tilma?)

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    1. The Son of God can't be in two places at once? Remember, also, in Revelation 12, Mary is depicted as both in Heaven wearing her crown AND giving birth to Jesus.

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    2. But with wings? "Every time a bell rings a Savior gets His wings"?

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  16. The Tilma remains exhibit A, which seems to have only the fact that the bow rides high on her to establish her connection with God made flesh, if we assume it is He who indwells the Lady of the apparition. No crucifix, no Jesus. Now I file Exhibit B. http://medjugorje.hr/en/medjugorje-phenomenon/detailed-description/ Same question, show me the proof that this Lady is associating herself to the God-man made flesh and cannot be a spiritual counterfeit cleverly manufactured (by man or the nefarious) to lead away from the Risen King of the universe.

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    1. I see your unapproved-by-the-Church Our Lady of Medjugorje and raise you one Our Lady (of the Holy Rosary) of Fatima :)

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  17. Oh, and by the way, does The BVM have an objective appearance, or is she more like a Rorschach test? Compare the description above to the Tilma. Hard to reconcile? bjb

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    1. I would say she does not have an objective appearance. She seems to match the geographical/cultural context in which she chooses to appear.

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    2. Hmmmmm. Glad she has not chosen to show up on the French Rivera, among the Himba or in Berlin's rave clubs. Maybe that is why she has been stuck in the former Yugoslavia for the past thirty years? One of the few remaining cultures modest enough to fit her tastes? Given her racial/culture fluidity, is it troubling that some cultures seem overrepresented, while others are much underrepresented, as to her visitations?

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    3. She seems to be appearing frequently in Muslim regions these days, which is very promising. I've got an article on that, too: https://www.thescottsmithblog.com/2017/08/our-lady-of-fatima-queen-of-muslims.html

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  18. Exhibit C: Sometimes the apparition does not even claim to be the BVM .. Guess the seers just assume, for who else could it be? (Begging the question of whether it could be LLLLLiiillllllith?) "In some apparitions such as Our Lady of Lourdes or Our Lady of Fatima an actual vision is reported, fully resembling that of a person being present. In some of these reports the viewers (at times children) do not initially report that they saw the Virgin Mary, but that they saw "a Lady" (often but not always dressed in white) and had a conversation with her. In these cases the viewers report experiences that resemble the visual and verbal interaction with a person present at the site of the apparition. In most cases, there are no clear indications as to the auditory nature of the experience, i.e. whether the viewers heard the voices via airwaves or an "interior" or subjective sense of communication." https://www.catholic.org/mary/appear.php

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    1. Sorry, but one last Exhibit, this one of a Lady who is so very popular and is not, to the best of my understanding, the BVM. Isn't this the best known "apparition" of the 70's? Yet going strong 50 years later! I am pretty sure it is "just a sprinkling for the May Queen," not a "spring clean"! LOL
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHFxncb1gRY

      So just who is Zep's May Queen referenced in a song attributed to the spirit world?
      "Robert Plant recalled writing the lyrics in a flash of inspiration. Said Plant: "I was holding a pencil and paper, and for some reason I was in a very bad mood. Then all of a sudden my hand was writing out the words, 'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold/And she's buying a stairway to heaven.' I just sat there and looked at the words and then I almost leapt out of my seat."

      Plant's implication that something else was moving his pencil for him led to speculation that it was Satan who was dictating the words, and along with the backward messages and Page's Aleister Crowley connection, there was enough evidence for many listeners that the devil had some role in creating this song.
      This is rumored to contain backward satanic messages, as if Led Zeppelin sold their souls to the devil in exchange for "Stairway To Heaven." Supporting this theory is the fact that Jimmy Page bought Aleister Crowley's house in Scotland, known as Boleskine House. In his books, Crowley advocated that his followers learn to read and speak backwards."

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    2. The BVM provided her name as "The Immaculate Conception" to St. Bernadette. This identification was used to convince the local Church authorities of her identity.

      I like the "Stairway to Heaven" reference, but have no idea what Robert Plant was thinking.

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  19. "Perhaps most importantly, though, the appearance of Our Lady of Guadalupe led to mass conversions (approx 9 million) of the Aztec people to Christianity. " Are you certain of that? Or did it just cause the allegiance of the masses to shift from the defeated Aztec elites and pantheon to a new elite with a similar, albeit less bloodthirsty, pantheon? So many converts, so few disciples a pope once said of the culture down there. How many households somehow missed Jesus, the Godman, the Kinsman Redeemer, He Who was lifted up, died, was buried and is now Risen to Rule, instead focusing upon, still, a Lady who looks much like, and seems to favor the same place, as the mother goddess Tonantzin, located on Tepeyac Hill outside Mexico City. How many Hispanics adore this Lady, while noting her son only in his preborn status, based upon the interpolation that the Lady of Tepeyac Hill is with child -- perpetually. Lest my doubts cause the reader to pick up stones, I am merely thinking Franciscan thoughts, circa 1570: "In the late 1570s, the Franciscan historian Bernardino de Sahagún denounced the cult at Tepeyac and the use of the name "Tonantzin" or to call her Our Lady in a personal digression in his General History of the Things of New Spain, in the version known as the Florentine Codex.

    At this place [Tepeyac], [the Indians] had a temple dedicated to the mother of the gods, whom they called Tonantzin, which means Our Mother. There they performed many sacrifices in honor of this goddess ... And now that a church of Our Lady of Guadalupe is built there, they also called her Tonantzin, being motivated by those preachers who called Our Lady, the Mother of God, Tonantzin. While it is not known for certain where the beginning of Tonantzin may have originated, but this we know for certain, that, from its first usage, the word refers to the ancient Tonantzin. And it was viewed as something that should be remedied, for their having [native] name of the Mother of God, Holy Mary, instead of Tonantzin, but Dios inantzin. It appears to be a Satanic invention to cloak idolatry under the confusion of this name, Tonantzin.[31]" Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex: Introduction and Indices, Arthur J.O. Anderson and Charles Dibble, translators. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1982, p. 90 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe bjb - Anne's hubby

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    1. Yes, I love the connection to Tonantzin/Tepeyac. I can see why some would get confused. Many also confused Christ with His Jewish and pagan prefigurements. Judas and the zealots, for example, expected a King David-style military conqueror. Several early heretics had difficulty properly reconciling Plato's concept of the Logos (another pagan prefigurement) with the incarnated Jesus. Obviously, this isn't cause to believe that Jesus, Himself, was just a phantasm created by the devil to mislead, right?

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    2. Many confuse All Hallows Eve and Samhain. Sometimes those wishing to promote the latter have used the former. The nefarious does that.

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  20. BTW ... I was received in the RCC in 1994, due to my pro-life activist past. Scott Hahn aided me in finding The Door, now-Bishop James Conley received me. I am truly RCC. One can be truly RCC and harbor doubts like this. Really really. Many do, few have the courage to so post them. It is time our apologetics got serious, or is it that we Catholics cannot handle such analysis? Bryan J. Brown

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    1. I definitely agree. I appreciate your questions/arguments and hope I gave strong, helpful answers. Iron sharpens iron, right? The world is about to unleash a hailstorm of questions on us like these. The non-religious have just equaled the Catholic share of the population, and both those numbers are probably pretty soft.

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  21. Iron to Iron brother. Salute! bryan

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  22. HUGE FIND? Is this more on Lillith from mystic lore? "She is so full of [passion] that no one who asks for her intercession is rejected, no matter how sinful he may be. [N]ever been known since the world began that anyone [who calls upon her], with trust and perseverance, and was rejected. Her power is so great that her prayers are never refused. She has but to appear in prayer before [the Creator to at] once [have her request [granted]. [God] is always conquered by the prayers of [this entity]."

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  23. Any who have the testicular fortitude to ask hard questions re Marian doctrine .. I am attempting to get answers at https://taylormarshall.com/2011/06/mystical-marriageto-mary-alan-de-la.html#respond

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    1. Find same thing over at Taylor Marshall. The new evangelism loves apologetics, except when the private revelation that is shoved front and center (and down throats) is questioned .... then .... not so much.

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